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Face the Raven

Thoughts on Face the Raven



Ok, first things first, I don't believe that's the end of Clara. Yeah, they made a big deal of her saying goodbye and it was all really emotional, but when it comes down to it it was a pretty nothing death. I don't think they'd write out a major companion that way and, tbh, I'll be really disappointed if it turns out that that was her actual end.

I may be reading too much into things, but I'm convinced that the fact the raven went into her front is significant. Everyone else runs away so the raven flies into their backs and just kills them. But Clara faced the raven (like the title of the episode says) and I just feel like that has to be important.

I don't think she'll just come back to life, because that would be cheap, but I do think something else is going to happen with her.

I'm still clinging to my theory that she becomes something else in the finale, so maybe she joins up with the raven. Maybe she becomes a shade too. Maybe she becomes a hybrid with it because god knows they've not been subtle with all the hybrid references throughout this series.

I'm also wondering what's going on with Ashildr. At the Doctor Who Festival Sarah Dollard said that she had to change out her original antagonist for Ashildr when Steven Moffat decided this would be the episode leading into the last two. But why? There was nothing specific to Ashildr in the role, anyone could have done it, so all I can think is that she's coming back. That there's a link between her and the mysterious "they" who made her trick the Doctor into turning up so they could abduct him. Her story's not done yet either.

I don't think she'll be the next companion though. I don't think she could move from this role into the companion role, and Maisie Williams is probably too busy with Game of Thrones to have time to be a main character in another show as well.

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cynthia2015
Nov. 24th, 2015 06:13 am (UTC)
I hope your right about Clara.

The word "Hybrid" must lead to something major, otherwise that was very irritating.
crystalcazzie
Nov. 24th, 2015 06:25 pm (UTC)
I hope so too!

And, yeah, I agree. This better be leading up to something good!
cynthia2015
Nov. 24th, 2015 08:41 pm (UTC)
Unless they do a "Romana", I doubt Maisie William's will be the next champion. I've already mentioned this on other post's but I'll say it again. I want to see a male champion, or female champion, that is not from the present please?.

Edited at 2015-11-24 08:41 pm (UTC)
crystalcazzie
Nov. 25th, 2015 06:09 pm (UTC)
I doubt she will either.

I quite like the idea of a historical companion, like we thought Clara was going to be back when she was first announced.
cynthia2015
Nov. 25th, 2015 09:03 pm (UTC)
I was disappointed that historical Clara was a fake out. Present Clara could have been a one-off descendant. Too late now.

It's like the writer's of the show are scared to mix it up when it come's to the champion's profile. I thought the Doctor "took the best" not just "present day female pretty young thing's, who are mainly from the London area".

Donna broke the mould a bit because she was over the age of thirty. The only time there was no "sexual tension" present between the champion and the Doctor. Coincidence?.

Edited at 2015-11-25 09:05 pm (UTC)
crystalcazzie
Nov. 26th, 2015 07:07 pm (UTC)
I feel like they've got stuck in a bit of a pattern with the companion and people are starting to think that this is how it has to be, which isn't the case.

Donna was really good. And I loved when Amy and Rory were both companions. Even though people often only talk about Amy, I do feel that they were both equally important and had equal status as companions in series 6 and 7.1.
cynthia2015
Nov. 27th, 2015 02:08 am (UTC)
I live in Australia, and Peter Capaldi just did a TV interview here. When they did the introduction, they mentioned how the Doctor only travel's with a young "hot babe".

They didn't include Donna or Rory in the montage. That's how people who only have a vague idea of what the show's about see's it as.

I like Amy mainly for the fact she came as a packaged deal with Rory. A married couple finally traveling on the TARDIS!

At least Clara was from Blackpool. But slim pickings.
crystalcazzie
Nov. 27th, 2015 06:32 pm (UTC)
Ugh, that's quite shocking actually. How can they not include Donna? I mean, I think Rory should be included too but I know a lot of people consider Amy the "main" companion while he was there, but there's no doubt about Donna's status. You can't ignore her just because she doesn't fit into your mould!

Lol, now I'm getting angry at an Australian TV station.
cynthia2015
Nov. 27th, 2015 10:53 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately we will have to tolerate this kind of response until:

(a) The writer's of the Doctor Who, do a dramatic shift in the format like have an official male champion without a partner perhaps.

(b) The interviewer's do ACTUAL PROPER research.

"The Project" is the TV program I'm refering to. I usually like watching it. It's where I get my main source of new's and media entertainment. It's just at these moment's is were I cringe.

I do respect how the presenter's, (two reporter's and two guest presenter's from other area's in the media) have to be serious for the new's while maintaining a sense of humor for the lighter subject's.

If it's any consolation, one of the presenter's is a fan of "The Thick Of It", so she found it a real treat to talk to Peter Capaldi.

Doctor Who in Australia is broadcast on the ABC channel, while "The Project" is on channel TEN. But I guess they know Doctor Who is very popular so they work their way around it. One of the host's use to be on the ABC so I guess it's not a big deal.

You can see the interview on their Facebook page, which includes comment's from Australian Doctor Who fan's who were disappointed by this interview. This program rotates it's presenter's. The main one's were not doing the interview at the time.

I can't believe Peter Capaldi's in the same country as me!.:)

I apologise if I went overboard with the detail's. I have this habit of getting comprehensive.

Edited at 2015-11-27 11:06 pm (UTC)
crystalcazzie
Nov. 29th, 2015 07:14 pm (UTC)
I tried to find it but couldn't. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

I wonder when they'll reveal the new companion. It can't be long now, can it?

At the Doctor Who Festival Moffat said that it would definitely be a new person we haven't seen before, which makes me wonder if it will be someone we've seen before, because Moff does love to lie about things like this...
cynthia2015
Nov. 29th, 2015 08:15 pm (UTC)
I'm still getting use to computer's, but I did have a look myself.

Google this link: https://www.facebook.com/theprojecttv

Scroll down to this date: The Project November 20 at 12:38am

If you still have problem's, someone has put it up on YouTube.·

This was when the interview occurred. I hope I was of help.

Peter Capaldi had previously did an interview on this program last year to promote Series 8, except that time he was with Jenna Coleman. That interview is already on YouTube.

In which one reporter asked her to choose who was her favorite Doctor, since she had worked with three of them. She politely as possible said how could she choose?. Especially when Peter was right next to her. Seriously?.

Peter and Jenna posed for photo's in Sydney Harbour. I go there all the time so it's not a big deal since I'm local. I've never been to London though.

I can't even begin to wonder who the champion might be. I hope it's someone who we've seen before because it's easier to reintroduce than start from scratch. Like they did with Donna.

I'd rather, "It's you again!", get on with the plot. Instead of "Who are you?" etc...Anyway if it's not PLEASE a champion that is totally DIFFERENT than we've seen in new who Moffat. The lying liar who lie's.

But for now I just want to mourn the lost of Clara/Jenna and get through this series finale. Then look forward to the Christmas Special. Phew!.

Edited at 2015-11-29 08:26 pm (UTC)
crystalcazzie
Dec. 1st, 2015 07:29 pm (UTC)
For some reason their Facebook page jumps straight from the 21st to the 17th November when I scroll down. How odd. But I watched it on YouTube and now I'm even more annoyed by the opening cos they included Classic Who too and that had even more male companions, so saying he always travels with a hot young babe is a blatant lie!

I'm so excited for the Christmas special! River is my favourite character and although I'm a bit wary about her with Twelve, I'm loving all the pictures and clips we've been seeing!
cynthia2015
Dec. 1st, 2015 11:39 pm (UTC)
I don't know if you are having technical difficulties. I have a slow response computer so I'm use to waiting and eventually it will appeared, even if some part's are out of order. If you know what I mean.

Since you already saw it on YouTube, all you missed out on is the comment's. Maybe you could go back to it later if you want to read those response's.

When this TV program make's introduction's that are not verging on the serious side, (e.g personal stories or the new's) they tend to make their intro's "humorous". No excuse for inaccuracy though.

My brother doesn't watch the show but he takes interest because he knows that I do .

This is an example of a typical conversation between us about Doctor Who:

My brother: Does it always have to be a young woman as the champion?.

Me: No. You remember the old series right?.

My Brother: Then why has it changed?.

Me: I don't know!. But....

Then I go into detail about Donna and Rory etc.

It's hard to defend the show when I have my own quirk's about it.:)

I'm excited to see how the dynamic will be between River and Twelve. I saw the pic's as well. She was thrown off by Eleven's "baby face" at first and she wasn't impressed by Ten either. I wonder how her reaction will be to an "older" looking Doctor?.

I guess it depends which part of her time stream Twelve meet's her at. The "time-whimey" of their relationship make's it complicated. I keep forgetting we have already seen River die. But having her come back again is good for continuity.

I remember Twelve mentioned to Clara in "The Caretaker" about him living for a month with otter's because he had a argument with River Song.:D
crystalcazzie
Dec. 7th, 2015 06:32 pm (UTC)
Steven Moffat has said that the River in the Christmas special will be right after Manhattan. Some people on Tumblr are theorising that she'll be post-Library too, having found a way to break herself out, but I'm not sure about that idea.

I kinda love River's 'baby face' comment because although Steven Moffat couldn't have known it when he wrote the line, Matt Smith's face does get noticeably older in later series. I firmly believe that Eleven is "her Doctor", so I assume she was just referring to the fact that he was a young Eleven who didn't really know her yet.
cynthia2015
Dec. 7th, 2015 06:49 pm (UTC)
That would explain Rivers non-plussed expression in the Christmas trailer.

Twelve is not one for the running. :D
cynthia2015
Dec. 8th, 2015 11:13 am (UTC)
Twelve looked quite eagar to see her even though his not really into the running like he use to be. While River looked nonplussed.
crystalcazzie
Dec. 9th, 2015 06:34 pm (UTC)
I love how happy Twelve looked to see her in the trailer. I'm not sure I've ever seen him look that happy and excited!

River is probably wondering who this weirdo is that's grinning at her like a maniac!
cynthia2015
Dec. 9th, 2015 11:01 pm (UTC)
The last interaction we saw of the Doctor with River, was him kissing her goodbye. Its great to see the Doctor has mellowed since his regeneration. I couldn't imagine him being that cheery last Christmas.

The episode looks like a trailer for one of those "couple out on the town where any thing can go wrong, does go wrong" movies.


Edited at 2015-12-09 11:21 pm (UTC)
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